tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post114751267670053529..comments2023-09-07T18:57:41.344+01:00Comments on Early Modern Whale: Early Modern PetsDrRoyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01351695058512676554noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-72357191173305598582011-06-26T11:03:19.761+01:002011-06-26T11:03:19.761+01:00As an owner of Ferrets, one of the same family - m...As an owner of Ferrets, one of the same family - mustelidae - I can tell you that the perfume from these animals gets a mixed response. Many people who love animals like their smell, more women than men dislike the smell. It is definitely not something I would consider extracting and wearing as a cologne though.JayBee203https://www.blogger.com/profile/09466938448789729689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1149019136346947222006-05-30T20:58:00.000+01:002006-05-30T20:58:00.000+01:00I am thrilled to discover from Tim Radford's revie...I am thrilled to discover from Tim Radford's review of Luca Turin's 'The Secret of Scent' (Guardian, Saturday 27th May) that musk can be extracted from the faeces of pine martens. Probably not something you would want to do on the kitchen table, but it maybe does show that Cotton had a point about Matty smelling nice.DrRoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351695058512676554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1147896719317058122006-05-17T21:11:00.000+01:002006-05-17T21:11:00.000+01:00(I've withdrawn my mistaken suggestion: oh dear, h...(I've withdrawn my mistaken suggestion: oh dear, how memory fails! Sorry Liane, and thanks again, bdh.)DrRoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351695058512676554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1147880265004955682006-05-17T16:37:00.000+01:002006-05-17T16:37:00.000+01:00Just an update in case anyone else out there is in...Just an update in case anyone else out there is interested in this kind of research:<BR/>It isn't Erica Sheen, but rather Erica Fudge at Middlesex University. She has quite a few publications on animals and early modern culture. I've posted the links to amazon for her books on my blog. <BR/>Thanks for the starting point though!Lianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01740060643662177796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1147867268207687382006-05-17T13:01:00.000+01:002006-05-17T13:01:00.000+01:00@liane -- Erica Fudge at Middlesex is another scho...@liane -- Erica Fudge at Middlesex is another scholar you might wish to contact. She's written some wonderfully erudite material on perceptions of animals in early modern Europe. <BR/><BR/>More directly related to your topic is the research being done by Ian MacInnes at Albion College on "Animals and National Identity in Early Modern England". Part of this work has been published in <I>Textual Practice</I>, looking at the mastiff and spaniel.bdhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04736787019772473395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1147851838401301912006-05-17T08:43:00.000+01:002006-05-17T08:43:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.DrRoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351695058512676554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1147806562864688272006-05-16T20:09:00.000+01:002006-05-16T20:09:00.000+01:00Wonderful info on early modern pets! I am just sta...Wonderful info on early modern pets! I am just starting some research into the lore surrounding various animals (specifically dogs)in early modern culture. Any suggestions where to start? Thanks.Lianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01740060643662177796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1147703314769519382006-05-15T15:28:00.000+01:002006-05-15T15:28:00.000+01:00Sorry if I was unclear – Serpell's chapter is from...Sorry if I was unclear – Serpell's chapter is from an edited volume: James Serpell, Guardian Spirits or Demonic Pets: The Concept of the Witch's Familiar in Early Modern England, 1530-1712," in <I>The Animal/Human Boundary: Historical Perspectives</I>, ed. Angela Creager & William Chester Jordan (Rochester: U of Rochester P, 2002), 157-90.bdhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04736787019772473395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1147675129624658332006-05-15T07:38:00.000+01:002006-05-15T07:38:00.000+01:00I will indeed get a copy of Serpell's book, bdh, a...I will indeed get a copy of Serpell's book, bdh, and thank you very much for the reference. Interesting example of 'witchcraft' as an attempted slur (though it is hard not to imagine that the pamphleteer got it wrong, and that his readers weren't in fact sorrier for the dog than stirred against the prince).DrRoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351695058512676554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21432259.post-1147537854050521242006-05-13T17:30:00.000+01:002006-05-13T17:30:00.000+01:00Speaking of 'Cavaliers', you might be interested i...Speaking of 'Cavaliers', you might be interested in another pamphlet I've recently been looking at lamenting the death of Prince Rupert's white poodle "Boye" – <I>A Dog's Elegy or Rvpert's Tears</I> (London, 1644). The pamphlet claims that Boye (who had been shot and killed at the battle of Marston Moor) was killed by a "Valiant Souldier, who had skill in Necromancy" (titlepage). The frontispiece includes the following verse:<BR/>Sad Cavaliers, <I>Rupert</I> invites you all<BR/>That doe survive, to his Dogs Funerall.<BR/>Close-mourners are the Witch, Pope, & devill<BR/>That much lament yo'r late befallen evill.<BR/><BR/>The first line of the elegy itself:<BR/>Lament poor <I>Cavaliers</I>, cry, howl and yelp<BR/>For the great losse of your <I>Malignant Whelp</I>,<BR/>Hee's dead! Hee's dead? No more alas can he<BR/>Protect you <I>Dammes</I>, or get Victorie. (sig. A2r)<BR/><BR/>James Serpell, in his "Guardian Spirits or Demonic Pets: The Concept of the Witch's Familiar in Early Modern England, 1530-1712," suggests that "during the Civil War, Boye became a sort of Royalist mascot, a lucky charm who bounded along beside the dashing young prince as he rode at the head of the Royalist army," and that since Boye was "viewed as the embodiment of Royalist success" rumours soon "began to circulate that the dog was a familiar with supernatural powers" (165). <BR/><BR/>I think you'd enjoy Serpell's chapter – he offers a taxonomy of the different species of familiars from the Hopkins and Stearne witchcraft trials (among others), as well as tables of the names given to them. I had a quick check – no explicit mention of any pine martens... : )bdhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04736787019772473395noreply@blogger.com